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March 17, 2026\
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Chris Strahl\
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Building Trust: Designing Product Ecosystems in the Age of AI
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February 10, 2026\
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Chris Strahl\
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Inside the Alaska–Hawaiian Merger: Shipping a Multi-Brand Experience in 10 Months
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January 27, 2026\
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Chris Strahl\
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Designing the Learning Loop: Context, AI, and Compound Systems
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January 5, 2026\
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Chris Strahl\
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Stop Designing Screens. Start Designing Patterns.
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December 17, 2025\
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Chris Strahl\
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Why the Future of Digital Production Starts With Code, Not a Canvas
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December 4, 2025\
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Chris Strahl\
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Scaling Inclusive Design: An Accessibility Conversation with Anna Thielke
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November 11, 2025\
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Chris Strahl\
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Why You Shouldn’t Aim for Perfect: Building Design Systems That Deliver Business Value with Noelle Lansford
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July 22, 2025\
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Chris Strahl\
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Are Design Systems Still for People? A Conversation with Elyse Holladay
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July 8, 2025\
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Chris Strahl\
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The Infrastructure Behind Digital Production: A Conversation with Steve Dodier-Lazaro
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June 13, 2025\
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Chris Strahl\
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Modernizing a Legend: Catherine Dubut Builds the Future at Ford Pro
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May 27, 2025\
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Chris Bloom\
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Garth Braithwaite on Design Tokens, Governance, and Scaling Spectrum at Adobe
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April 29, 2025\
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Andrew Rohman\
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The Evolution of Digital Production: TJ Pitre Talks Flash, Figma, and the Future of Dynamic Design
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April 15, 2025\
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Richard Banfield\
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DSP Rewind | Rick Rodriguez on Building an Adaptable and Scalable Design system
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April 1, 2025\
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Andrew Rohman\
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Jon Warden on How GSK Uses Design Systems to Balance Scale, Flexibility, and Innovation
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March 18, 2025\
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Richard Banfield\
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DSP Mashup | The Future of AI and Digital Production
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March 11, 2025\
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Richard Banfield\
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DSP Rewind | Emily Campbell: Design and Code Convergence
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February 4, 2025\
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Chris Strahl\
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Building a Unified Design System for Instacart’s Multi-Product Ecosystem: Lessons for Success from Miranda Bouck
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January 21, 2025\
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Chris Strahl\
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Scaling Avalara's Design System to Support a Growth-By-Acquisition Strategy
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January 7, 2025\
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Chris Strahl\
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Inside H-E-B’s Digital Transformation: Adriana Morales on Design Systems That Empower Teams
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December 10, 2024\
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Chris Strahl\
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From Ideas to Impact: Chris Strahl and Evan Lovely on Five Years of Design Systems Innovation
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November 26, 2024\
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Chris Strahl\
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Adoption, Efficiency, and Value: insights from KickstartDS’s Jonas Ulrich and Daniel Ley
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November 12, 2024\
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Chris Strahl\
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Creating Cohesion from Chaos: The Role of Language in System Design with Ben Callahan
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October 29, 2024\
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Chris Strahl\
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The Intersection of Urban Planning and Design Systems: Insights from Andii Hei
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October 15, 2024\
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Chris Strahl\
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From Designer to Design System Leader: Insights from Allison Shaw's Career Journey
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October 1, 2024\
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Chris Strahl\
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Rethinking Design Consistency: Debating Tokens vs. Components with ADPs Alice Preisler
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September 17, 2024\
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Chris Strahl\
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Reusability, Collaboration, and Empathy: Catalina Manea on Bridging Design and Development to Build Applications with Design Systems
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September 3, 2024\
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Chris Strahl\
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Why Kate Moran Thinks Humans Are Essential to the Future of Generative UI and AI.
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August 20, 2024\
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Chris Strahl\
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Designed for success: How Guy Segal Built a Design System that Product Teams Want to Use.
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August 6, 2024\
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Chris Strahl\
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Design System Sources of Truth: Transparency and Collaboration with Dropbox’s Mark Shuster
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July 9, 2024\
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Chris Strahl\
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Design Systems and Ways of Working: Nick Hahn on Collaboration, Adoption, and AI
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June 12, 2024\
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Chris Strahl\
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How AI is Revolutionizing Design Systems and Customer Experiences with Dave Calleja
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May 28, 2024\
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Chris Strahl\
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The Evolution of ServiceNow's Design System with Meredith Van Lier
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May 14, 2024\
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Chris Strahl\
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Making Design Systems Inclusive with Accessibility Specialist Daniel Henderson-Ede
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April 30, 2024\
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Chris Strahl\
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U.S. Bank’s Beau Ulrey on Building Trust Through Design Systems
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January 18, 2024\
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Chris Strahl\
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Jina Anne and Adekunle Oduye: Navigating Career Pathways in Design Systems
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January 16, 2024\
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Chris Strahl\
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Matt Weinberg, Sr. Product Designer at Angi: Empathy-First Approach to Evolving Design Systems
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December 19, 2023\
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Chris Strahl\
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Josh Clark, Founder of Big Medium: Scaling Digital Strategy Within Complex Organizations
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December 13, 2023\
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Chris Strahl\
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Nathan Curtis, Co-founder of EightShapes: Balancing reuse and customization in UI Design
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November 30, 2023\
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Chris Strahl\
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Lisa Apers Independent Designer and Researcher: Tailoring UIs with brainwaves for personalized user experiences
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November 16, 2023\
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Chris Strahl\
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Designing diversity: Crafting tiered systems for a global market with Tim Banker at Slalom Consulting
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November 8, 2023\
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Chris Strahl\
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The innovation triad: Needs, coverage and adoption with Alex Wilson and Jon Reidy at T. Rowe Price
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November 1, 2023\
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Chris Strahl\
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Metrics matter: Harnessing usage data for adoption, coverage, efficiency, and quality with Maya Hampton at REI
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October 26, 2023\
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Chris Strahl\
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Beyond isolation: Harmonizing products in a design ecosystem with JJ Rogers at Watermark
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October 18, 2023\
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Chris Strahl\
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Designing success: Crafting principles for passkey adoption with Kevin Goldman and Sierre Wolfkostin at FIDO Alliance
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October 4, 2023\
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Chris Strahl\
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From consistency to contribution: How design systems grow trees with Jay Smith at REI
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September 27, 2023\
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Chris Strahl\
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Driving speed and consistency: The power of design systems in startups with Jamie Totten at Klue
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September 21, 2023\
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Chris Strahl\
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Digital typography: Suggesting, not dictating with Juli Sombat, Design Lead and Jason Pamental, Principal Designer
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September 13, 2023\
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Chris Strahl\
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Tony Pantello and Chris Henke, Senior UI/UX Designer and Developer: Breaking silos and enhancing teamwork in design systems
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September 6, 2023\
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Chris Strahl\
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Design system revamp: Unpacking Monster's UX odyssey with Billea Breen, Senior UX Designer
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August 30, 2023\
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Chris Strahl\
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Embracing change with Mark Reynolds, Design System Consultant: How design and engineering roles are evolving in design systems
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August 23, 2023\
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Chris Strahl\
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Bridging Code & Creativity with Kevin Broich, Design Systems Architect at Cisco
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August 15, 2023\
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Chris Strahl\
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Inside Pinterest's Gestalt System with Product Designers, Kate Halvorsen and Cintia Romero: A community-centric approach
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August 8, 2023\
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Chris Strahl\
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Bridging the design-code gap at Meta, a multidisciplinary approach with Sriram Ramasubramanian, Senior Engineering Manager
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July 31, 2023\
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Robin Cannon, Executive Director and Head of Design System at J.P. Morgan: Creating an environment that encourages and builds trust with design systems
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July 24, 2023\
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Chris Strahl\
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Building Thriving Design System Communities with Christophe Coutzoukis Design System Lead at Zapier
Christophe and Chris discuss the art of building thriving design system communities. They share their profound insights and experiences, offering valuable perspectives on fostering vibrant and inclusive communities that flourish with creativity and collaboration.
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July 12, 2023\
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Chris Strahl\
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Harnessing the power of design systems to unify your team with Adam Sedwick, Senior Product Manager
Adam and Chris discuss the power of design systems and their ability to break down barriers between designers and developers.
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June 22, 2023\
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Chris Strahl\
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Richard Banfield, Advisor & Recovering CEO: What does iterative work look like in design systems?
Richard and Chris discuss iterative work and how integral thinking by doing is when progressing work forward.
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June 15, 2023\
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Chris Strahl\
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Using system thinking to make informed decisions with Sheryl Cababa, Chief Strategy Officer at Substantial
Sheryl and Chris discuss the complexities of the design system space as it involves human behaviours.
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May 31, 2023\
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Chris Strahl\
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Designing to scale with Danielle MacDonald Creative Head, Digital Product Design at Waters
Hear from Creative Head, Danielle MacDonald on the impact of designing at scale and how it can increase ROI.
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May 24, 2023\
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Chris Strahl\
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People are the heart of design systems with Chris Deluca Senior Front-End Developer at Lullabot
Chris Deluca and Chris discuss the significance of prioritizing people in the process of developing design systems. They explore a central question that consistently arises: Whose lives are you striving to enrich and simplify?
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May 16, 2023\
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Chris Strahl\
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Design with code and AI: Pinata's Kendall Totten interviews Knapsack CEO Chris Strahl
Kendall and Chris discuss how design systems represent the strategic platform for how a company creates product.
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May 10, 2023\
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Chris Strahl\
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The single source of truth mentality: Meta, pt. 2
A round table discussion hosted by Chris and Andrew from Knapsack with the Meta Blueprint team, part two.
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May 3, 2023\
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Chris Strahl\
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Driving consistency across systems: Meta, pt. 1
A round table discussion hosted by Chris and Andrew from Knapsack with the Meta Blueprint team (part one).
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April 26, 2023\
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Chris Strahl\
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Design token takes, pt. 2
Kaelig, Darren, and Chris talk tokens and code: “Using a whole different type of brain.”
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April 18, 2023\
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Chris Strahl\
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Design token takes, pt. 1
Amber, Taylor, and Chris talk tokens; the pros and cons.
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March 13, 2023\
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Chris Strahl\
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Is a design system a business asset or a technical asset?
Morgane and Chris discuss how design systems can extend beyond being just a technical asset to offer business value, patterns, and ROI.
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March 7, 2023\
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Evan Lovely\
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Evan Lovely CTO & Co-Founder of Knapsack: Source of truth should be the user experience
Evan and Chris discuss source of truth and how it is linked most importantly to overall user experience opposed to just design or code.
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January 11, 2023\
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Lindsay Jones\
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The Design Systems Podcast reaches 100K listens
Knapsack is excited to announce that our Design System podcast has reached 100,000 listens!
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September 21, 2022\
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Eva Morrison\
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Evan Lovely, Chris Bloom, Jake Love, and Brittany Smart from Knapsack: Hot Takes on the State of Design Systems
Evan Lovely (Head of Product & Engineering), Chris Bloom (Principal Front-End Engineer), Jake Love (Senior Solutions Engineer), and Brittany Smart (Solutions Engineer) join Chris to discuss the state of design systems today. Listen to hot takes on everything from the lesser known elements of successful design systems to the role vulnerability should play in your system.
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September 7, 2022\
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Eva Morrison\
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Stephen Gates: What makes a good design leader?
Stephen Gates and Chris discuss the realities of design system leadership, unconventional sources of inspiration, and the impact of design on society.
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August 1, 2022\
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Ryan Peterson\
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Vojtech Miksu from Uber: Next-gen tooling for developers
Vojtech Miksu (Software Engineer at Uber) and Evan Lovely (Chief Architect at Knapsack) join Chris to discuss the gap between a frontend developer’s code base and what actually gets shipped, the next-gen tool (Ladle) Vojtech created to address this, and ultimately helping developers get closer to what end users experience.
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June 6, 2022\
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Ryan Peterson\
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Meghan Rosatelli and Saejin Choi from Capital One: Navigating design system convergence, adoption, and contribution simultaneously
Meghan Rosatelli and Saejin Choi join Chris to discuss transitioning multiple design systems into one, shifting system consumers’ mindset from working with a local system to working with a global system, and using play to drive excitement and adoption of a design system.
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May 16, 2022\
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Chris Strahl\
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Bridging old and new media with News UK’s design system, NewsKit
Nick, Ellis, and Chris discuss how News UK’s design system, NewsKit, united multiple disparate brands in a central source of truth, and how infrastructure management has helped scale design and engineering practices.
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May 2, 2022\
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Shayna Hodkin\
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The nuances of design system management
Curious about the fun parts of design systems? Check out this episode of the Design Systems Podcast featuring Davy Fung, co-host of design systems podcast Design System Office Hours, who joined Chris to talk about working creatively within design system constraints, common structures for design systems, and building a Jedi Council of Design System Advocates.
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April 18, 2022\
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Shayna Hodkin\
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Una Kravets from Google Chrome: The internet’s dirty secret
Una, Chris Bloom, and Chris Strahl talk about production-level code, the accessibility of Web3, and the new sliced bread of the web. Prepare for Una to blow your mind with how dynamic CSS can be.
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April 4, 2022\
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Shayna Hodkin\
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Why design systems should be part of your company’s DNA
Corey and Chris discuss how design systems represent an organization’s lifeblood, the sisyphean parts of design system maintenance, and what stands out about design system culture at Compass.
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March 21, 2022\
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Shayna Hodkin\
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Building an accessible, inclusive design system at Adobe
Matt, Veda, and Chris discuss how Matt and Veda have incorporated accessibility and inclusion into one of the world’s most well-known design systems, Spectrum. Matt shares his experience getting accessibility principles into Spectrum on the ground floor, and Veda discusses how inclusion fits into design systems.
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March 14, 2022\
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Shayna Hodkin\
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The long evolution of Wayfair's design system
Neva, Rogin, and Chris discuss the gradual process of building a holistic design system team and achieving cross-functional design system adoption.
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February 7, 2022\
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Shayna Hodkin\
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Mike Bowser from Vista: The past, present, and future of design systems
Mike and Chris discuss design systems at the enterprise level, the history of systems, and UX design at the beginning of the internet.
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November 15, 2021\
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Shayna Hodkin\
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Stephen Gates from WW on design methodology, design systems, and building trust
Stephen Gates joined Chris Strahl on the podcast for a long talk about team culture, design systems, and more.
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October 29, 2021\
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Shayna Hodkin\
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Josh Cusick from Microsoft defines design utopia
Microsoft’s Josh Cusick and Chris discuss how to convey intent when working with a design system, the importance of buy-in for a successful design system culture, and whether or not your design system will ever be finished.
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July 12, 2021\
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Shayna Hodkin\
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Maya Hampton from REI: Pattern-based thinking on all levels
Maya Hampton, product manager of REI's design system, joined Knapsack CEO Chris Strahl to discuss why design systems need to be flexible, the role of a product manager in a design system, and viewing design systems as products.
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July 12, 2021\
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Shayna Hodkin\
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Using one design system to manage dozens of products with Intuit's Leonardo De La Rocha
Leonardo De La Rocha and Chris discuss the “federated” design system model, how to connect design systems to business needs, designing friction-free cross-platform experiences, and C-suite awareness of design needs.
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June 21, 2021\
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Shayna Hodkin\
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Audrey Tan from Xero: Creating a long-lasting design system vision
Audrey and Chris discuss the vision guiding Xero’s design system team, how co-ownership helps design system teams thrive, the processes she uses for managing a global team, and how the Xero design system team approaches modernization.
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June 9, 2021\
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Shayna Hodkin\
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Jess Clark from LinkedIn: Old tech, new tech
Jess Clark and Chris discuss the meaning of design systems and the potential of design systems as a service. What can design systems offer us beyond infrastructure? How can approaching design systems as products, rather than repositories, increase their capabilities?
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April 21, 2021\
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Shayna Hodkin\
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Building design system communities with Jehad Affoneh and Scott Mathis
In episode 30 of the Design Systems Podcast, Jehad Affoneh, Scott Mathis, and Chris discuss the advantages of open-source, the role of content in design systems, the pattern-based approach to building apps, and similarities between music and tokens.
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