# Podcast

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[March 17, 2026\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Building Trust: Designing Product Ecosystems in the Age of AI**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/building-trust-designing-product-ecosystems-in-the-age-of-ai)

[Read](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/building-trust-designing-product-ecosystems-in-the-age-of-ai)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[February 10, 2026\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Inside the Alaska–Hawaiian Merger: Shipping a Multi-Brand Experience in 10 Months**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/inside-the-alaska-hawaiian-merger)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/inside-the-alaska-hawaiian-merger)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[January 27, 2026\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Designing the Learning Loop: Context, AI, and Compound Systems**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/designing-the-learning-loop-context-ai-and-compound-systems)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/designing-the-learning-loop-context-ai-and-compound-systems)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[January 5, 2026\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Stop Designing Screens. Start Designing Patterns.**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/stop-designing-screens-start-designing-patterns)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/stop-designing-screens-start-designing-patterns)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[December 17, 2025\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Why the Future of Digital Production Starts With Code, Not a Canvas**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/why-the-future-of-digital-production-starts-with-code-not-a-canvas)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/why-the-future-of-digital-production-starts-with-code-not-a-canvas)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[December 4, 2025\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Scaling Inclusive Design: An Accessibility Conversation with Anna Thielke**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/scaling-inclusive-design-an-accessibility-conversation-with-anna-thielke)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/scaling-inclusive-design-an-accessibility-conversation-with-anna-thielke)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[November 11, 2025\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Why You Shouldn’t Aim for Perfect: Building Design Systems That Deliver Business Value with Noelle Lansford**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/why-you-shouldnt-aim-for-perfect-building-design-systems-that-deliver-business-value-with-noelle-lansford)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/why-you-shouldnt-aim-for-perfect-building-design-systems-that-deliver-business-value-with-noelle-lansford)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[July 22, 2025\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Are Design Systems Still for People? A Conversation with Elyse Holladay**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/are-design-systems-still-for-people-a-conversation-with-elyse-holladay)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/are-design-systems-still-for-people-a-conversation-with-elyse-holladay)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[July 8, 2025\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**The Infrastructure Behind Digital Production: A Conversation with Steve Dodier-Lazaro**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/the-infrastructure-behind-digital-production-a-conversation-with-steve-dodier-lazaro)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/the-infrastructure-behind-digital-production-a-conversation-with-steve-dodier-lazaro)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[June 13, 2025\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Modernizing a Legend: Catherine Dubut Builds the Future at Ford Pro**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/modernizing-a-legend)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/modernizing-a-legend)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[May 27, 2025\\
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Chris Bloom\\
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**Garth Braithwaite on Design Tokens, Governance, and Scaling Spectrum at Adobe**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/garth-braithwaite-on-design-tokens-governance-and-scaling-spectrum-at-adobe)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/garth-braithwaite-on-design-tokens-governance-and-scaling-spectrum-at-adobe)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[April 29, 2025\\
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Andrew Rohman\\
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**The Evolution of Digital Production: TJ Pitre Talks Flash, Figma, and the Future of Dynamic Design**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/the-evolution-of-digital-production-tj-pitre-talks-flash-figma-and-the-future-of-dynamic-design)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/the-evolution-of-digital-production-tj-pitre-talks-flash-figma-and-the-future-of-dynamic-design)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[April 15, 2025\\
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Richard Banfield\\
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**DSP Rewind \| Rick Rodriguez on Building an Adaptable and Scalable Design system**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/dsp-rewind-rick-rodriguez-on-building-an-adaptable-and-scalable-design-system)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/dsp-rewind-rick-rodriguez-on-building-an-adaptable-and-scalable-design-system)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[April 1, 2025\\
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Andrew Rohman\\
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**Jon Warden on How GSK Uses Design Systems to Balance Scale, Flexibility, and Innovation**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/jon-warden-on-how-gsk-uses-design-systems-to-balance-scale-flexibility-and-innovation)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/jon-warden-on-how-gsk-uses-design-systems-to-balance-scale-flexibility-and-innovation)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[March 18, 2025\\
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Richard Banfield\\
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**DSP Mashup \| The Future of AI and Digital Production**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/dsp-mashup-the-future-of-ai-and-digital-production)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/dsp-mashup-the-future-of-ai-and-digital-production)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[March 11, 2025\\
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Richard Banfield\\
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**DSP Rewind \| Emily Campbell: Design and Code Convergence**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/dsp-rewind-emily-campbell-design-and-code-convergence)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/dsp-rewind-emily-campbell-design-and-code-convergence)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[February 4, 2025\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Building a Unified Design System for Instacart’s Multi-Product Ecosystem: Lessons for Success from Miranda Bouck**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/building-a-unified-design-system-for-instacarts-multi-product-ecosystem-lessons-for-success-from-miranda-bouck)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/building-a-unified-design-system-for-instacarts-multi-product-ecosystem-lessons-for-success-from-miranda-bouck)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[January 21, 2025\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Scaling Avalara's Design System to Support a Growth-By-Acquisition Strategy**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/scaling-avalaras-design-system-to-support-a-growth-by-acquisition-strategy)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/scaling-avalaras-design-system-to-support-a-growth-by-acquisition-strategy)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[January 7, 2025\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Inside H-E-B’s Digital Transformation: Adriana Morales on Design Systems That Empower Teams**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/inside-h-e-bs-digital-transformation)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/inside-h-e-bs-digital-transformation)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[December 10, 2024\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**From Ideas to Impact: Chris Strahl and Evan Lovely on Five Years of Design Systems Innovation**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/from-ideas-to-impact-chris-strahl-and-evan-lovely-on-five-years-of-design-systems-innovation)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/from-ideas-to-impact-chris-strahl-and-evan-lovely-on-five-years-of-design-systems-innovation)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[November 26, 2024\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Adoption, Efficiency, and Value: insights from KickstartDS’s Jonas Ulrich and Daniel Ley**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/adoption-efficiency-and-value-insights-from-kickstartdss-jonas-ulrich-and-daniel-ley)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/adoption-efficiency-and-value-insights-from-kickstartdss-jonas-ulrich-and-daniel-ley)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[November 12, 2024\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Creating Cohesion from Chaos: The Role of Language in System Design with Ben Callahan**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/creating-cohesion-from-chaos-the-role-of-language-in-system-design-with-ben-callahan)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/creating-cohesion-from-chaos-the-role-of-language-in-system-design-with-ben-callahan)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[October 29, 2024\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**The Intersection of Urban Planning and Design Systems: Insights from Andii Hei**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/the-intersection-of-urban-planning-and-design-systems-insights-from-andii-hei)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/the-intersection-of-urban-planning-and-design-systems-insights-from-andii-hei)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[October 15, 2024\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**From Designer to Design System Leader: Insights from Allison Shaw's Career Journey**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/from-designer-to-design-system-leader)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/from-designer-to-design-system-leader)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[October 1, 2024\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Rethinking Design Consistency: Debating Tokens vs. Components with ADPs Alice Preisler**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/rethinking-design-consistency-with-adps-alice-preisler)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/rethinking-design-consistency-with-adps-alice-preisler)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[September 17, 2024\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Reusability, Collaboration, and Empathy: Catalina Manea on Bridging Design and Development to Build Applications with Design Systems**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/catalina-manea-on-bridging-design-and-development)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/catalina-manea-on-bridging-design-and-development)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[September 3, 2024\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Why Kate Moran Thinks Humans Are Essential to the Future of Generative UI and AI.**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/kate-moran-humans-are-essential)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/kate-moran-humans-are-essential)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[August 20, 2024\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Designed for success: How Guy Segal Built a Design System that Product Teams Want to Use.**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/designed-for-success-how-guy-segal-built-a-design-system-that-product-teams-want-to-use)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/designed-for-success-how-guy-segal-built-a-design-system-that-product-teams-want-to-use)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[August 6, 2024\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Design System Sources of Truth: Transparency and Collaboration with Dropbox’s Mark Shuster**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/design-system-sources-of-truth-transparency-and-collaboration-with-dropboxs-mark-shuster)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/design-system-sources-of-truth-transparency-and-collaboration-with-dropboxs-mark-shuster)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[July 9, 2024\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Design Systems and Ways of Working: Nick Hahn on Collaboration, Adoption, and AI**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/ways-of-working-nick-hahn)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/ways-of-working-nick-hahn)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[June 12, 2024\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**How AI is Revolutionizing Design Systems and Customer Experiences with Dave Calleja**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/ai-revolutionizing-design-systems-dave-calleja)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/ai-revolutionizing-design-systems-dave-calleja)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[May 28, 2024\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**The Evolution of ServiceNow's Design System with Meredith Van Lier**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/the-evolution-of-servicenows-design-system)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/the-evolution-of-servicenows-design-system)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[May 14, 2024\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Making Design Systems Inclusive with Accessibility Specialist Daniel Henderson-Ede**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/making-design-systems-inclusive-with-daniel-henderson-ede)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/making-design-systems-inclusive-with-daniel-henderson-ede)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[April 30, 2024\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**U.S. Bank’s Beau Ulrey on Building Trust Through Design Systems**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/beau-ulrey-on-building-trust-through-design-systems)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/beau-ulrey-on-building-trust-through-design-systems)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[January 18, 2024\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Jina Anne and Adekunle Oduye: Navigating Career Pathways in Design Systems**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/jina-anne-and-adekunle-oduye-navigating-career-pathways-in-design-systems)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/jina-anne-and-adekunle-oduye-navigating-career-pathways-in-design-systems)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[January 16, 2024\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Matt Weinberg, Sr. Product Designer at Angi: Empathy-First Approach to Evolving Design Systems**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/matt-weinberg-at-angi-empathy-first-approach-to-evolving-design-systems)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/matt-weinberg-at-angi-empathy-first-approach-to-evolving-design-systems)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[December 19, 2023\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Josh Clark, Founder of Big Medium: Scaling Digital Strategy Within Complex Organizations**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/josh-clark-founder-of-big-medium-scaling-digital-strategy-within-complex-organizations)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/josh-clark-founder-of-big-medium-scaling-digital-strategy-within-complex-organizations)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[December 13, 2023\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Nathan Curtis, Co-founder of EightShapes: Balancing reuse and customization in UI Design**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/nathan-curtis-co-founder-at-eightshapes-balancing-reuse-and-customization-in-ui-design)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/nathan-curtis-co-founder-at-eightshapes-balancing-reuse-and-customization-in-ui-design)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[November 30, 2023\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Lisa Apers Independent Designer and Researcher: Tailoring UIs with brainwaves for personalized user experiences**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/lisa-apers-independent-designer-and-researcher-tailoring-uis-with-brainwaves-for-personalized-user-experiences)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/lisa-apers-independent-designer-and-researcher-tailoring-uis-with-brainwaves-for-personalized-user-experiences)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[November 16, 2023\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Designing diversity: Crafting tiered systems for a global market with Tim Banker at Slalom Consulting**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/designing-diversity-crafting-tiered-systems-for-a-global-market-with-tim-banker-at-slalom-consulting)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/designing-diversity-crafting-tiered-systems-for-a-global-market-with-tim-banker-at-slalom-consulting)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[November 8, 2023\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**The innovation triad: Needs, coverage and adoption with Alex Wilson and Jon Reidy at T. Rowe Price**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/the-innovation-triad-needs-coverage-and-adoption-with-alex-wilson-and-jon-reidy-at-t-rowe-price)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/the-innovation-triad-needs-coverage-and-adoption-with-alex-wilson-and-jon-reidy-at-t-rowe-price)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[November 1, 2023\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Metrics matter: Harnessing usage data for adoption, coverage, efficiency, and quality with Maya Hampton at REI**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/metrics-matter-harnessing-usage-data-for-adoption-coverage-efficiency-and-quality-with-maya-hampton-at-rei)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/metrics-matter-harnessing-usage-data-for-adoption-coverage-efficiency-and-quality-with-maya-hampton-at-rei)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[October 26, 2023\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Beyond isolation: Harmonizing products in a design ecosystem with JJ Rogers at Watermark**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/beyond-isolation-harmonizing-products-in-a-design-ecosystem-with-jj-rogers-at-watermark)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/beyond-isolation-harmonizing-products-in-a-design-ecosystem-with-jj-rogers-at-watermark)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[October 18, 2023\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Designing success: Crafting principles for passkey adoption with Kevin Goldman and Sierre Wolfkostin at FIDO Alliance**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/designing-success-crafting-principles-for-passkey-adoption-with-kevin-goldman-and-sierre-wolfkostin-at-fido-alliance)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/designing-success-crafting-principles-for-passkey-adoption-with-kevin-goldman-and-sierre-wolfkostin-at-fido-alliance)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[October 4, 2023\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**From consistency to contribution: How design systems grow trees with Jay Smith at REI**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/from-consistency-to-contribution-how-design-systems-grow-trees-with-jay-smith-at-rei)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/from-consistency-to-contribution-how-design-systems-grow-trees-with-jay-smith-at-rei)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[September 27, 2023\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Driving speed and consistency: The power of design systems in startups with Jamie Totten at Klue**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/driving-speed-and-consistency-the-power-of-design-systems-in-startups-with-jamie-totten-at-klue)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/driving-speed-and-consistency-the-power-of-design-systems-in-startups-with-jamie-totten-at-klue)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[September 21, 2023\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Digital typography: Suggesting, not dictating with Juli Sombat, Design Lead and Jason Pamental, Principal Designer**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/digital-typography-suggesting-not-dictating-with-juli-sombat-design-lead-and-jason-pamental-principal-designer)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/digital-typography-suggesting-not-dictating-with-juli-sombat-design-lead-and-jason-pamental-principal-designer)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[September 13, 2023\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Tony Pantello and Chris Henke, Senior UI/UX Designer and Developer: Breaking silos and enhancing teamwork in design systems**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/tony-pantello-and-chris-henke-senior-ui-ux-designer-and-developer-breaking-silos-and-enhancing-teamwork-in-design-systems)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/tony-pantello-and-chris-henke-senior-ui-ux-designer-and-developer-breaking-silos-and-enhancing-teamwork-in-design-systems)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[September 6, 2023\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Design system revamp: Unpacking Monster's UX odyssey with Billea Breen, Senior UX Designer**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/design-system-revamp-unpacking-monsters-ux-odyssey-with-billea-breen-senior-ux-designer)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/design-system-revamp-unpacking-monsters-ux-odyssey-with-billea-breen-senior-ux-designer)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[August 30, 2023\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Embracing change with Mark Reynolds, Design System Consultant: How design and engineering roles are evolving in design systems**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/embracing-change-with-mark-reynolds-design-system-consultant-how-design-and-engineering-roles-are-evolving-in-design-systems)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/embracing-change-with-mark-reynolds-design-system-consultant-how-design-and-engineering-roles-are-evolving-in-design-systems)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[August 23, 2023\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Bridging Code & Creativity with Kevin Broich, Design Systems Architect at Cisco**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/kevin-broich-design-systems-architect-at-cisco-bridging-code-creativity)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/kevin-broich-design-systems-architect-at-cisco-bridging-code-creativity)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[August 15, 2023\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Inside Pinterest's Gestalt System with Product Designers, Kate Halvorsen and Cintia Romero: A community-centric approach**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/inside-pinterests-gestalt-system-with-product-designers-kate-halvorsen-and-cintia-romero-a-community-centric-approach)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/inside-pinterests-gestalt-system-with-product-designers-kate-halvorsen-and-cintia-romero-a-community-centric-approach)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[August 8, 2023\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Bridging the design-code gap at Meta, a multidisciplinary approach with Sriram Ramasubramanian, Senior Engineering Manager**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/sriram-ramasubramanian-senior-engineering-manager-bridging-the-design-code-gap-a-multidisciplinary-approach)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/sriram-ramasubramanian-senior-engineering-manager-bridging-the-design-code-gap-a-multidisciplinary-approach)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[July 31, 2023\\
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**Robin Cannon, Executive Director and Head of Design System at J.P. Morgan: Creating an environment that encourages and builds trust with design systems**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/robin-cannon-executive-director-and-head-of-design-system-at-j-p-morgan-creating-an-environment-that-encourages-and-builds-trust-with-design-systems)

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/robin-cannon-executive-director-and-head-of-design-system-at-j-p-morgan-creating-an-environment-that-encourages-and-builds-trust-with-design-systems)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[July 24, 2023\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Building Thriving Design System Communities with Christophe Coutzoukis Design System Lead at Zapier**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/christophe-coutzoukis-design-system-lead-building-thriving-design-system-communities)

Christophe and Chris discuss the art of building thriving design system communities. They share their profound insights and experiences, offering valuable perspectives on fostering vibrant and inclusive communities that flourish with creativity and collaboration.

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/christophe-coutzoukis-design-system-lead-building-thriving-design-system-communities)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[July 12, 2023\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Harnessing the power of design systems to unify your team with Adam Sedwick, Senior Product Manager**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/adam-sedwick-senior-product-manager-harnessing-the-power-of-design-systems-to-unify-your-team)

Adam and Chris discuss the power of design systems and their ability to break down barriers between designers and developers.

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/adam-sedwick-senior-product-manager-harnessing-the-power-of-design-systems-to-unify-your-team)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[June 22, 2023\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Richard Banfield, Advisor & Recovering CEO: What does iterative work look like in design systems?**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/richard-banfield-advisor-recovering-ceo-what-does-iterative-work-look-like-in-design-systems)

Richard and Chris discuss iterative work and how integral thinking by doing is when progressing work forward.

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/richard-banfield-advisor-recovering-ceo-what-does-iterative-work-look-like-in-design-systems)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[June 15, 2023\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Using system thinking to make informed decisions with Sheryl Cababa, Chief Strategy Officer at Substantial**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/sheryl-cababa-chief-strategy-officer-at-substantial-using-system-thinking-to-make-informed-decisions)

Sheryl and Chris discuss the complexities of the design system space as it involves human behaviours.

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/sheryl-cababa-chief-strategy-officer-at-substantial-using-system-thinking-to-make-informed-decisions)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[May 31, 2023\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Designing to scale with Danielle MacDonald Creative Head, Digital Product Design at Waters**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/danielle-macdonald-creative-head-digital-product-design-designing-to-scale)

Hear from Creative Head, Danielle MacDonald on the impact of designing at scale and how it can increase ROI.

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/danielle-macdonald-creative-head-digital-product-design-designing-to-scale)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[May 24, 2023\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**People are the heart of design systems with Chris Deluca Senior Front-End Developer at Lullabot**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/chris-deluca-senior-front-end-developer-people-are-the-heart-of-design-systems)

Chris Deluca and Chris discuss the significance of prioritizing people in the process of developing design systems. They explore a central question that consistently arises: Whose lives are you striving to enrich and simplify?

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/chris-deluca-senior-front-end-developer-people-are-the-heart-of-design-systems)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[May 16, 2023\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Design with code and AI: Pinata's Kendall Totten interviews Knapsack CEO Chris Strahl**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/kendall-totten-engineering-manager-at-pinata-interviews-knapsack-ceo-chris-strahl)

Kendall and Chris discuss how design systems represent the strategic platform for how a company creates product.

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/kendall-totten-engineering-manager-at-pinata-interviews-knapsack-ceo-chris-strahl)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[May 10, 2023\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**The single source of truth mentality: Meta, pt. 2**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/the-single-source-of-truth-mentality-meta-part-two)

A round table discussion hosted by Chris and Andrew from Knapsack with the Meta Blueprint team, part two.

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/the-single-source-of-truth-mentality-meta-part-two)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[May 3, 2023\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Driving consistency across systems: Meta, pt. 1**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/driving-consistency-across-systems-with-meta-part-one)

A round table discussion hosted by Chris and Andrew from Knapsack with the Meta Blueprint team (part one).

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/driving-consistency-across-systems-with-meta-part-one)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[April 26, 2023\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Design token takes, pt. 2**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/design-token-takes-part-two)

Kaelig, Darren, and Chris talk tokens and code: “Using a whole different type of brain.”

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/design-token-takes-part-two)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[April 18, 2023\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Design token takes, pt. 1**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/design-token-takes-part-one)

Amber, Taylor, and Chris talk tokens; the pros and cons.

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/design-token-takes-part-one)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[March 13, 2023\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Is a design system a business asset or a technical asset?**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/is-a-design-system-a-business-asset-or-a-technical-asset)

Morgane and Chris discuss how design systems can extend beyond being just a technical asset to offer business value, patterns, and ROI.

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/is-a-design-system-a-business-asset-or-a-technical-asset)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[March 7, 2023\\
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Evan Lovely\\
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**Evan Lovely CTO & Co-Founder of Knapsack: Source of truth should be the user experience**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/evan-lovely-cto-co-founder-of-knapsack-source-of-truth-should-be-the-user-experience)

Evan and Chris discuss source of truth and how it is linked most importantly to overall user experience opposed to just design or code.

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/evan-lovely-cto-co-founder-of-knapsack-source-of-truth-should-be-the-user-experience)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[January 11, 2023\\
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Lindsay Jones\\
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**The Design Systems Podcast reaches 100K listens**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/the-design-systems-podcast-reaches-100k-listens)

Knapsack is excited to announce that our Design System podcast has reached 100,000 listens!

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/the-design-systems-podcast-reaches-100k-listens)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[September 21, 2022\\
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Eva Morrison\\
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**Evan Lovely, Chris Bloom, Jake Love, and Brittany Smart from Knapsack: Hot Takes on the State of Design Systems**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/hot-takes-on-the-state-of-design-systems)

Evan Lovely (Head of Product & Engineering), Chris Bloom (Principal Front-End Engineer), Jake Love (Senior Solutions Engineer), and Brittany Smart (Solutions Engineer) join Chris to discuss the state of design systems today. Listen to hot takes on everything from the lesser known elements of successful design systems to the role vulnerability should play in your system.

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/hot-takes-on-the-state-of-design-systems)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[September 7, 2022\\
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Eva Morrison\\
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**Stephen Gates: What makes a good design leader?**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/stephen-gates-what-makes-a-good-design-leader)

Stephen Gates and Chris discuss the realities of design system leadership, unconventional sources of inspiration, and the impact of design on society.

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/stephen-gates-what-makes-a-good-design-leader)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[August 1, 2022\\
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Ryan Peterson\\
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**Vojtech Miksu from Uber: Next-gen tooling for developers**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/vojtech-miksu-from-uber-next-gen-tooling-for-developers)

Vojtech Miksu (Software Engineer at Uber) and Evan Lovely (Chief Architect at Knapsack) join Chris to discuss the gap between a frontend developer’s code base and what actually gets shipped, the next-gen tool (Ladle) Vojtech created to address this, and ultimately helping developers get closer to what end users experience.

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/vojtech-miksu-from-uber-next-gen-tooling-for-developers)

.png)](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/dsp-48-meghan-rosatelli-saejin-choi-capital-one)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[June 6, 2022\\
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Ryan Peterson\\
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**Meghan Rosatelli and Saejin Choi from Capital One: Navigating design system convergence, adoption, and contribution simultaneously**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/dsp-48-meghan-rosatelli-saejin-choi-capital-one)

Meghan Rosatelli and Saejin Choi join Chris to discuss transitioning multiple design systems into one, shifting system consumers’ mindset from working with a local system to working with a global system, and using play to drive excitement and adoption of a design system.

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/dsp-48-meghan-rosatelli-saejin-choi-capital-one)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[May 16, 2022\\
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Chris Strahl\\
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**Bridging old and new media with News UK’s design system, NewsKit**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/dsp-47-nick-dorman-and-ellis-capon)

Nick, Ellis, and Chris discuss how News UK’s design system, NewsKit, united multiple disparate brands in a central source of truth, and how infrastructure management has helped scale design and engineering practices.

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/dsp-47-nick-dorman-and-ellis-capon)

.png)](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/dsp-davy-fung)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[May 2, 2022\\
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Shayna Hodkin\\
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**The nuances of design system management**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/dsp-davy-fung)

Curious about the fun parts of design systems? Check out this episode of the Design Systems Podcast featuring Davy Fung, co-host of design systems podcast Design System Office Hours, who joined Chris to talk about working creatively within design system constraints, common structures for design systems, and building a Jedi Council of Design System Advocates.

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/dsp-davy-fung)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[April 18, 2022\\
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Shayna Hodkin\\
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**Una Kravets from Google Chrome: The internet’s dirty secret**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/una-kravets-from-google-chrome-knows-the-internets-dirty-secret)

Una, Chris Bloom, and Chris Strahl talk about production-level code, the accessibility of Web3, and the new sliced bread of the web. Prepare for Una to blow your mind with how dynamic CSS can be.

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/una-kravets-from-google-chrome-knows-the-internets-dirty-secret)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[April 4, 2022\\
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Shayna Hodkin\\
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**Why design systems should be part of your company’s DNA**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/dsp-44corey-greeneltch-compass)

Corey and Chris discuss how design systems represent an organization’s lifeblood, the sisyphean parts of design system maintenance, and what stands out about design system culture at Compass.

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/dsp-44corey-greeneltch-compass)

.png)](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/dsp-43-adobe)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[March 21, 2022\\
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Shayna Hodkin\\
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**Building an accessible, inclusive design system at Adobe**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/dsp-43-adobe)

Matt, Veda, and Chris discuss how Matt and Veda have incorporated accessibility and inclusion into one of the world’s most well-known design systems, Spectrum. Matt shares his experience getting accessibility principles into Spectrum on the ground floor, and Veda discusses how inclusion fits into design systems.

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/dsp-43-adobe)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[March 14, 2022\\
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Shayna Hodkin\\
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**The long evolution of Wayfair's design system**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/dsp-42-the-long-evolution-of-a-web-design-system)

Neva, Rogin, and Chris discuss the gradual process of building a holistic design system team and achieving cross-functional design system adoption.

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/dsp-42-the-long-evolution-of-a-web-design-system)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[February 7, 2022\\
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Shayna Hodkin\\
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**Mike Bowser from Vista: The past, present, and future of design systems**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/mike-bowser-from-vista-the-past-present-and-future-of-design-systems)

Mike and Chris discuss design systems at the enterprise level, the history of systems, and UX design at the beginning of the internet.

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/mike-bowser-from-vista-the-past-present-and-future-of-design-systems)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[November 15, 2021\\
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Shayna Hodkin\\
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**Stephen Gates from WW on design methodology, design systems, and building trust**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/dsp-stephen-gates-2)

Stephen Gates joined Chris Strahl on the podcast for a long talk about team culture, design systems, and more.

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/dsp-stephen-gates-2)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[October 29, 2021\\
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Shayna Hodkin\\
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**Josh Cusick from Microsoft defines design utopia**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/josh-cusick-from-microsoft-defines-design-utopia)

Microsoft’s Josh Cusick and Chris discuss how to convey intent when working with a design system, the importance of buy-in for a successful design system culture, and whether or not your design system will ever be finished.

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/josh-cusick-from-microsoft-defines-design-utopia)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[July 12, 2021\\
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Shayna Hodkin\\
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**Maya Hampton from REI: Pattern-based thinking on all levels**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/maya-hampton-rei-dsp)

Maya Hampton, product manager of REI's design system, joined Knapsack CEO Chris Strahl to discuss why design systems need to be flexible, the role of a product manager in a design system, and viewing design systems as products.

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/maya-hampton-rei-dsp)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[July 12, 2021\\
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Shayna Hodkin\\
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**Using one design system to manage dozens of products with Intuit's Leonardo De La Rocha**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/dsp-35-intuit-leonardo-de-la-rocha)

Leonardo De La Rocha and Chris discuss the “federated” design system model, how to connect design systems to business needs, designing friction-free cross-platform experiences, and C-suite awareness of design needs.

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/dsp-35-intuit-leonardo-de-la-rocha)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[June 21, 2021\\
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Shayna Hodkin\\
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**Audrey Tan from Xero: Creating a long-lasting design system vision**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/audrey-tan-from-xero)

Audrey and Chris discuss the vision guiding Xero’s design system team, how co-ownership helps design system teams thrive, the processes she uses for managing a global team, and how the Xero design system team approaches modernization.

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/audrey-tan-from-xero)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[June 9, 2021\\
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Shayna Hodkin\\
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**Jess Clark from LinkedIn: Old tech, new tech**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/dsp-33-jess-clark-from-linkedin)

Jess Clark and Chris discuss the meaning of design systems and the potential of design systems as a service. What can design systems offer us beyond infrastructure? How can approaching design systems as products, rather than repositories, increase their capabilities?

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/dsp-33-jess-clark-from-linkedin)

[Podcast](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog-categories/podcast)

[April 21, 2021\\
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Shayna Hodkin\\
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**Building design system communities with Jehad Affoneh and Scott Mathis**](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/ep-30-with-jehad-affoneh-and-scott-mathis)

In episode 30 of the Design Systems Podcast, Jehad Affoneh, Scott Mathis, and Chris discuss the advantages of open-source, the role of content in design systems, the pattern-based approach to building apps, and similarities between music and tokens.

[Read more](https://www.knapsack.cloud/blog/ep-30-with-jehad-affoneh-and-scott-mathis)

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